Stream: smart/health-cards
Topic: HL7 Connectathon January 2022
Paul Denning (Jan 11 2022 at 15:13):
https://github.com/dvci/shc-terminology
Paul Denning (Jan 11 2022 at 15:13):
http://fhir.cerner.com/millennium/r4/foundation/other/health-cards/
Paul Denning (Jan 11 2022 at 15:14):
https://confluence.hl7.org/display/FHIR/2022-01+SMART+Health+Cards+for+Vaccination+and+Testing
Paul Denning (Jan 11 2022 at 15:22):
https://jira.hl7.org/browse/UP-271 Add Value Set for Specimen Collection Supervision Status
Paul Denning (Jan 11 2022 at 15:30):
Max Masnick (Jan 11 2022 at 15:35):
CI build of the IG for the Connectathon: http://build.fhir.org/ig/HL7/fhir-shc-vaccination-ig/branches/2022-01-connectathon/index.html
This has all the open PRs merged in. I didn't read through the whole IG in this branch, so it's possible the merges did something weird...if you see something that looks out of place please let me know.
Neelima Karipineni (Jan 11 2022 at 16:03):
Sample VCI Directory formatted file including Connectathon test endpoints - https://raw.githubusercontent.com/dvci/vci-directory/connectathon_2022_01/vci-issuers.json.
Paul Denning (Jan 11 2022 at 16:18):
https://github.com/cqframework/ecqm-content-r4 example of a "content IG"
Neelima Karipineni (Jan 11 2022 at 16:44):
Seems to be based on https://github.com/cqframework/sample-content-ig
Max Masnick (Jan 11 2022 at 17:02):
@Grahame Grieve and @Josh Mandel , we were playing with the idea of putting the shc-terminology content inside a lightweight IG to get a better human-readable version.
https://dvci.github.io/shc-terminology/ is what the first pass looks like (no CI build yet -- we can set this up if we decide to continue)
Code is in this branch: https://github.com/dvci/shc-terminology/tree/fhir-ig
What do you think?
Max Masnick (Jan 11 2022 at 17:03):
Direct links to the two vocab resources as there's no other content:
- https://dvci.github.io/shc-terminology/ValueSet-shc-covid-cvx.html
- https://dvci.github.io/shc-terminology/ConceptMap-covid-cvx-air-mapping.html
Josh Mandel (Jan 11 2022 at 18:06):
I find this very helpful!
Josh Mandel (Jan 11 2022 at 18:07):
In general, does anything prevent us from populating expansion for any VS we publish this way?
Max Masnick (Jan 11 2022 at 20:14):
In general, does anything prevent us from populating expansion for any VS we publish this way?
I think just terminology server support?
Max Masnick (Jan 11 2022 at 20:19):
The other thing I'd like to do is tweak the styling for the human display of the value sets and concept maps. Perhaps we can contribute this back to the IG Publisher proper.
Neelima Karipineni (Jan 11 2022 at 20:24):
The page says 'Expansion based on http://hl7.org/fhir/sid/cvx version 20210406', which is a bit old now.
Max Masnick (Jan 11 2022 at 20:25):
@Rob Hausam can you please pull the lever on updating CVX for tx.fhir.org?
Rob Hausam (Jan 11 2022 at 20:43):
Yes - probably can start to look at that tomorrow - after the Connectathon. :)
Rob Hausam (Jan 11 2022 at 20:44):
But let me know if you actually need it for tomorrow.
Josh Mandel (Jan 11 2022 at 23:05):
Max Masnick: I think just terminology server support?
OK, I'd suggest that we should include a full expansion to make these useful.
Michael O'Hanlon (Jan 12 2022 at 18:01):
https://connectathon.vci.org/ is now live for anybody who would like to test!
Grahame Grieve (Jan 13 2022 at 19:36):
@Josh Mandel
OK, I'd suggest that we should include a full expansion to make these useful
Since the expansion is a full expansion, what are you talking about?
Grahame Grieve (Jan 13 2022 at 19:37):
@Max Masnick a human readable version is a good thing for sure, and this one works if it gets navigable
Josh Mandel (Jan 13 2022 at 19:37):
When I looked at the files the other day I saw a definition but not an expansion. Maybe I was looking the wrong place multitasking
Grahame Grieve (Jan 13 2022 at 19:38):
agree the rendering could be improved, though some of the issues are with the content itself
Josh Mandel (Jan 13 2022 at 19:38):
https://dvci.github.io/shc-terminology/ValueSet-shc-covid-cvx.json.html this is where I was expecting to see a populated expansion
Grahame Grieve (Jan 13 2022 at 19:38):
well, it is, but it's got code problems. I think that's something that would be fixed by upgrading cvx
Josh Mandel (Jan 13 2022 at 19:38):
I understand that all the concepts may already be present, but this is much harder for a consuming client to know and understand, and the contract should just be here's a bag of codes in a flat list
Grahame Grieve (Jan 13 2022 at 19:49):
umm I don't follow that at all
Josh Mandel (Jan 13 2022 at 19:49):
As a developer I want to download a value set and iterate over an expansion. I don't want to try to understand things like compositional definitions...
Josh Mandel (Jan 13 2022 at 19:50):
Like, I might not have good support for processing the full semantics of value set definitions (handling: compose, include, filter, exclude etc) but it's easy for me to support processing an expansion.
Grahame Grieve (Jan 13 2022 at 19:52):
which expansion?
Josh Mandel (Jan 13 2022 at 19:52):
Ideally the one that would exist at https://dvci.github.io/shc-terminology/ValueSet-shc-covid-cvx.json
Grahame Grieve (Jan 13 2022 at 19:53):
but there's lots of valid expansions. Depends on your context which is the right one.
Grahame Grieve (Jan 13 2022 at 19:54):
the general expansion will be pretty much identical to the composition rules.
Josh Mandel (Jan 13 2022 at 19:54):
That's what I'm asking for, pretty much identical. Just available under the contract of here is an expansion and you don't need to worry about handling compose and other features (filter, exclude...) that could slip into the definitions over time and make them more complex to process
Grahame Grieve (Jan 13 2022 at 19:55):
the point of the infrastructure is that we can't decide what the right expansion is at publication time, so you can get a free high performance terminology server that does this on the fly for you
Josh Mandel (Jan 13 2022 at 19:55):
But the point of my wanting to create a GitHub repository for this specific purpose was to have a nice flat JSON file that I could just drop into my software:-)
Grahame Grieve (Jan 13 2022 at 19:55):
because what you're asking for is 'I want all the complexity to go away, and the publication to just work for me alone'
Josh Mandel (Jan 13 2022 at 19:55):
As we start moving that into a formal IG, these other issues are coming up
Josh Mandel (Jan 13 2022 at 19:56):
If we are saying the right way to use this content is to download it, then feed it into a high performance terminology server, then generate an output that you can load into your software... That's a different level of complexity and developer familiarity with FHIR than I think we can expect here
Grahame Grieve (Jan 13 2022 at 19:58):
well, like i said, you can wish complexity away, but that won't actually make it go away
Oliver Egger (Jan 13 2022 at 20:08):
Could we make it for the 80% of the valueset's which can be expanded not the same way it is done for html presentation of the expanded ValueSet? I was very astonished that the representation of the expansion in the ValueSet html, but it is not included in the ValueSet resource itself in the expansion.
Grahame Grieve (Jan 13 2022 at 20:42):
the vocab committee has tried to insist before the the html not include an expansion, and the template is supposed to include a note to the effect that this is just an example of an expansion that could occur. Note that it's 'an expansion' not 'the expansion' since there's an infinite number of correct expansions for any non-trivial value set.
And this particular value set is a non-trivial value set
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