FHIR Chat · Nordics on FHIR - Next call monday 2021-10-25 14:00 CET

Stream: nordics

Topic: Nordics on FHIR - Next call monday 2021-10-25 14:00 CET

Espen Stranger Seland (Oct 21 2021 at 07:08):

Topic: NPU (Nomenclature for Properties and Units) and FHIR
Running topics: IPA, IPS, terminology services

Teams call: https://teams.microsoft.com/l/meetup-join/19%3ameeting_MWM4YzU1NzgtZDMwZi00NDQyLTljYzUtZmIyNzFiZGFmNjQx%40thread.v2/0?context=%7b%22Tid%22%3a%22ca4ef9a8-6017-4d6f-b345-ed904be37123%22%2c%22Oid%22%3a%225f7c049e-16dc-4481-bfb3-ff79b4f28d4e%22%7d

Jens Villadsen (Oct 22 2021 at 08:54):

NPU is roughly 29000 codes and can be downloaded at https://www.npu-terminology.org/npu-database/ or https://www.labterm.dk/download/Index1 and looks easily translated to FHIR codesystems and valuesets. What is of greater importance is probably to start the dialogue with the custodian organization behind NPU: https://www.npu-terminology.org/contact-us/

Jens Villadsen (Oct 27 2021 at 19:37):

FYI @Øyvind Aassve / @Thomas Tveit Rosenlund / @Espen Stranger Seland if we are to suggest eg. NPU or ICPC as a maintaned code system in HL7, I think the process is to submit a request found at https://confluence.hl7.org/display/TA/Request+Content+in+External+Terminologies

Jens Villadsen (Oct 27 2021 at 19:38):

(If I can convince the rest of the affiliate in DK, I'll go ahead with ICPC as I have already draftet the danish supplement at https://github.com/hl7dk/dk-core/blob/feature/icpc-supplement/input/resources/icpc2e-dk.xml )

Øyvind Aassve (Oct 27 2021 at 19:53):

Sounds good @Jens Villadsen - sorry I missed the last half of the call last meeting. What is the consequence of suggesting this as an HL7 maintained code system - that is what is the difference from us just defiing a unique URL and handling this ourselves? I can understand that NPU has not been registered earlier as the use is mainly Scandinavian, but I thought ICPC had broader adoption .....

Rob Hausam (Oct 27 2021 at 20:13):

@Jens Villadsen Do you want HL7 to maintain the code system content (which seems unlikely), or are you suggesting that it would be good for HL7 to host a "convenience copy" (in THO)?

Jens Villadsen (Oct 27 2021 at 21:22):

Rob Hausam said:

... are you suggesting that it would be good for HL7 to host a "convenience copy" (in THO)?

-that part

Jens Villadsen (Oct 27 2021 at 21:25):

I mean - why wouldn't HL7 be interested in hosting a convenience copy of it? Ain't HL7 supposed to be a standard organization that aims to make IT easier across the healthcare domain?

Jens Villadsen (Oct 27 2021 at 21:26):

and ICPC even contains mapping tables to ICD-10 - (https://browser.icpc-3.info/) - it would make a lot of sense to also have that present in ConceptMaps and so on

Espen Stranger Seland (Oct 28 2021 at 08:52):

@Jens Villadsen No need, we have full control of the use and maintainance of NPU and the Nordic versions, so we don't meed to involve HL7. Publishing it as a FHIR CodeSystem/setting up a terminology server is another matter, of course.

Jens Villadsen (Oct 28 2021 at 09:55):

@Espen Stranger Seland for NPU I fully agree with you. For ICPC its probably another mattter

Espen Stranger Seland (Nov 02 2021 at 13:14):

Some high level descriptions about publishing code systems etc.:
https://confluence.hl7.org/display/FHIR/Publishing+terminology+to+the+FHIR+Ecosystem

Petter Wolff (Nov 11 2021 at 11:33):

Espen Stranger Seland said:

Publishing it as a FHIR CodeSystem/setting up a terminology server is another matter, of course.

So let's make that the question then? If the goal is to reach higher adoption of the terminology, making it available as FHIR Terminology resources should be a natural aim. It shouldn't require a huge amount of resources either - the terminology service as such could be pretty lightweight for starters. Doable?

Jens Villadsen (Nov 12 2021 at 13:14):

@Petter Wolff - certainly doable

Jens Villadsen (Nov 12 2021 at 13:15):

@Daniel Karlsson wouldn't you agree?

Jens Villadsen (Nov 12 2021 at 20:54):

OK - I have parsed the NPU into a codesystem now ... should I throw it at a term server or just add it to an IG for now?

Rob Hausam (Nov 13 2021 at 00:48):

Or both?

Jens Villadsen (Nov 13 2021 at 07:28):

Or both ofc

Jens Villadsen (Nov 16 2021 at 09:40):

Jens Villadsen said: