Stream: implementers
Topic: new Language
Jose Costa Teixeira (Nov 11 2019 at 14:18):
I'm getting an error that my language is not available in http://hl7.org/fhir/ValueSet/languages
Jose Costa Teixeira (Nov 11 2019 at 14:20):
it's just a preferred binding, but should we add de-BE there?
What I know: German is an official language in Belgium, I am not aware if there is any difference to de-DE (if that is a criteria).
Jose Costa Teixeira (Nov 11 2019 at 14:21):
I've seen some references to de-BE out there, but not sure if that is sufficient criteria.
Jose Costa Teixeira (Nov 11 2019 at 14:22):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Belgium
Jose Costa Teixeira (Nov 11 2019 at 14:23):
@Robin Bosman @Pierre Billot
Robin Bosman (Nov 11 2019 at 16:35):
Specifically for German - I am inclined to say no. French and Dutch in Belgium do have their own flavor (with millions of Belgian speakers) but with less than 100K speakers I am not sure Be-German should be considered sufficiently different from standard German. Does RSW have a policy on this?
Jose Costa Teixeira (Nov 11 2019 at 19:05):
bcp47 says :
" Region subtags are used to indicate linguistic variations associated with or appropriate to a specific country, territory, or region. Typically, a region subtag is used to indicate variations such as regional dialects or usage, or region-specific spelling conventions. It can also be used to indicate that content is expressed in a way that is appropriate for use throughout a region, for instance, Spanish content tailored to be useful throughout Latin America."
Jose Costa Teixeira (Nov 11 2019 at 19:06):
(my emphasis)
Jose Costa Teixeira (Nov 11 2019 at 19:08):
we have a code system (hc-party) giving a warning.
We can either
a) ignore that warning
b) add the language
c) change "de-BE" and just use "de"
Grahame Grieve (Nov 11 2019 at 19:36):
given that the language binding is extensible, that should not be an error
Grahame Grieve (Nov 11 2019 at 19:36):
just a warning
Vassil Peytchev (Nov 12 2019 at 05:58):
It seems that the only German region subtags are de-DE, de-AT, and de-CH (per the IANA language subtag registry)
Pierre Billot (Nov 12 2019 at 08:16):
It seems that "fr-CA" is missing too.
I am pretty sure that it is much different that "fr-FR" … and Fhir has canadian roots, hasn't it ?
It shows that language is (just) an informative data …
In any case, for Belgium, I think that "de-BE" should be added:
In Belgium, we like to be "legaly" and "federaly" correct …
… and we have a "culture of compromise" that we are proud ;-)
Grahame Grieve (Nov 12 2019 at 08:29):
what is present in that list is the languages spoken by affiliates
Jose Costa Teixeira (Nov 12 2019 at 08:40):
ok so we can ignore the error for now, and when BE becomes an Affiliate, HL7 Belgium has already a pending task :)
Jose Costa Teixeira (Nov 12 2019 at 08:41):
is that a good way forward?
Grahame Grieve (Nov 12 2019 at 08:45):
yes.
Grahame Grieve (Nov 12 2019 at 08:45):
but please tell me its not an error. it should just be a warning
Jose Costa Teixeira (Nov 12 2019 at 08:46):
it is just information actually
Jose Costa Teixeira (Nov 12 2019 at 08:47):
i wrote "i get an error" in my first post, that was misleading, sorry
Jose Costa Teixeira (Nov 12 2019 at 08:48):
which part of this should go in the ignoreWarnings.txt?
INFORMATION : The value provided ('de-BE') is not in the value set http://hl7.org/fhir/ValueSet/languages (http://hl7.org/fhir/ValueSet/languages, and a code is recommended to come from this value set) (error message = The code provided (urn:ietf:bcp:47#de-BE) is not valid in the value set CommonLanguages)
Jose Costa Teixeira (Nov 12 2019 at 08:48):
just the error message?
Jose Costa Teixeira (Nov 12 2019 at 08:49):
(I was trying but did not manage to get rid of it)
Jose Costa Teixeira (Nov 12 2019 at 08:52):
Jose Costa Teixeira (Nov 12 2019 at 08:52):
I'm missing the syntax there
John Silva (Nov 12 2019 at 13:20):
Isn't this really a combination of 2 things, the ISO language code (ISO-639 ) and the ISO country code (ISO-3166 )
https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E13214_01/wli/docs92/xref/xqisocodes.html
or
https://www.andiamo.co.uk/resources/iso-language-codes/
(and of course the list of countries frequently changes)
Lloyd McKenzie (Nov 12 2019 at 14:24):
@John Silva IETF defines a grammar that combines those and a few others too. And yes, both lists change with reasonable frequency. The rule is that the code must come from the IETF set (which is about as complete as is possible), but we enumerate a simple set for drop-downs based on what's typically used in HL7 affiliates.
Grahame Grieve (Nov 12 2019 at 19:59):
which is why this is not an error message
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