FHIR Chat · How to add Danish translations to code systems in FHIR · implementers

Stream: implementers

Topic: How to add Danish translations to code systems in FHIR

camilla andersson (Dec 19 2019 at 09:11):

How do I add Danish terms to a value set?

Alexander Henket (Dec 19 2019 at 09:12):

Make sure you expand from a terminology server that holds Danish language display names for the code system you use?

Alexander Henket (Dec 19 2019 at 09:13):

This is what it looks like in Dutch:

<concept>
    <code value="PST"/>
    <display value="Postal Addres"/>
    <designation>
        <language value="nl-NL"/>
        <use>
            <system value="http://snomed.info/sct"/>
            <code value="900000000000013009"/>
            <display value="Synonym"/>
        </use>
        <value value="Postadres"/>
    </designation>
</concept>

Jens Villadsen (Dec 19 2019 at 09:13):

@Grahame Grieve and @Alexander Henket , @camilla andersson would like to contribute with some danish translations of the standardized valuesets - initially focused on some of the valuesets from STU3 (which more or less would be the same in R4). Could you guys provide some guidance to her?

Jens Villadsen (Dec 19 2019 at 09:15):

I guess an excel extract (or alike )of some of the valuesets would get her rolling - @camilla andersson please specify which ones you would like to start with

Alexander Henket (Dec 19 2019 at 09:15):

We are in the process of the same and asked HTA/UTG for guidance. No response yet. we were thinking along the lines of CodeSystem supplements. Value Set translation is not the way to go to. You should look into CodeSystem translation and treat Value Sets as a derivative work

Jens Villadsen (Dec 19 2019 at 09:15):

right

Jens Villadsen (Dec 19 2019 at 09:16):

so rephrase - Code Systems extracts

Alexander Henket (Dec 19 2019 at 09:18):

Back in the day when I tried it, tooling was not ready yet, but Grahame had every intention to beef up support if we were serious, so I still consider this the right method. A supplement allows for proper Danish/Dutch governance while keeping the core CodeSystem governance clean for HL7

Jens Villadsen (Dec 19 2019 at 09:20):

@Grahame Grieve any luck 'beefing' it up?

Grahame Grieve (Dec 19 2019 at 09:21):

I think it works now. You can contribute Danish code system supplements to the core. UTG doesn't support them yet, I think

Alexander Henket (Dec 19 2019 at 09:23):

I've asked Ted/HTA about how that could work. Am I correct in thinking UTG would be the best starting point for these supplements?

Jens Villadsen (Dec 19 2019 at 09:23):

what is UTG/HTA?

Grahame Grieve (Dec 19 2019 at 09:24):

it depends what you want to supplement. If the code systems are FHIR bound code systems, then you need to do it in the FHIR core. If the code systems are in UTG, you need to do it in there

Alexander Henket (Dec 19 2019 at 09:24):

Even though adding it to the core could certainly be a way too? The use case for us is V3 in a European ehDSI setting. FHIR is mainly the technology there.

UTG = HL7 Terminology Governance Process

Alexander Henket (Dec 19 2019 at 09:25):

HTA = HL7 Health Terminology Authority

Jens Villadsen (Dec 19 2019 at 09:25):

I'm pretty sure that the CodeSystems that @camilla andersson would like to provide translations for are within the FHIR Core

Jens Villadsen (Dec 19 2019 at 09:25):

we are not changing terminology here - we are 'just' providing translations

Grahame Grieve (Dec 19 2019 at 09:25):

v3 = UTG

Grahame Grieve (Dec 19 2019 at 09:25):

@Jens Villadsen which code systems?

Jens Villadsen (Dec 19 2019 at 09:26):

@camilla andersson which code systems?

Grahame Grieve (Dec 19 2019 at 09:26):

ping...pong...

Alexander Henket (Dec 19 2019 at 09:27):

If we supply the supplements containing translations to UTG, would that trickle down into FHIR itself? That was my assumption

Alexander Henket (Dec 19 2019 at 09:28):

It concerns a number of V3 CodeSystems, also listed in the FHIR spec (AdministrativeGender, MaritalStatus, NullFlavor, and then some)

Grahame Grieve (Dec 19 2019 at 09:29):

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by 'trickle down into FHIR itself'

Grahame Grieve (Dec 19 2019 at 09:29):

Once UTG is published, those parts of FHIR will become references into UTG in future versions

Alexander Henket (Dec 19 2019 at 09:32):

I think that answers the question with Yes. Trickle down means that the CodeSystems as they live in the FHIR publications would contain supplements too. Comparable to Dutch being rendered today actually here: http://build.fhir.org/v3/AdministrativeGender/cs.html

Alexander Henket (Dec 19 2019 at 09:33):

And probably inclusion in tx.fhir.org so you could base ValueSet expansions on them

camilla andersson (Dec 19 2019 at 09:47):

@Jens Villadsen It could be the code system for priority in http://hl7.org/fhir/STU3/procedurerequest.html. The FUT project could potentially have a lot more codesystems for translations.

Grahame Grieve (Dec 19 2019 at 09:48):

there's a 3rd altenative that you could consider: just publish your own package that contains the code system supplements, and anyone who wants them can pick them up in an IG or an implementation (including a terminology server)

Jens Villadsen (Dec 19 2019 at 09:49):

The code system would then be http://hl7.org/fhir/STU3/codesystem-request-priority.html

Grahame Grieve (Dec 19 2019 at 09:50):

that's the page, not the canonical url

Jens Villadsen (Dec 19 2019 at 09:51):

correct - @Grahame Grieve I guess the intention here is that @camilla andersson would like to add contributions to the FHIR spec (given that the FHIR standard is capable of receiving such input - which it should be IMHO)

Jens Villadsen (Dec 19 2019 at 09:51):

and the thing is there that the contributions consists of a translation which does not alter the meaning of the spec

Grahame Grieve (Dec 19 2019 at 09:59):

well, you can't add to STU3

Jens Villadsen (Dec 19 2019 at 09:59):

tell that to 3.0.2 ;)

Jens Villadsen (Dec 19 2019 at 10:00):

i get that it is not a technical correction ... so the translations should probably be added to latest, if accepted

Grahame Grieve (Dec 19 2019 at 10:16):

yes

Jens Villadsen (Dec 19 2019 at 10:16):

gr8t

Jens Villadsen (Dec 19 2019 at 10:18):

@camilla andersson If you have a look at http://hl7.org/fhir/STU3/codesystem-request-priority.html, and provide the proper danish translations in eg. a spreadsheet, I'll do what I can to get it into the spec

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