Stream: implementers
Topic: DocumentReference XDS profile
Krzysztof Suchomski (Nov 29 2016 at 09:01):
Are there any examples available showing how to represent folder structure with tags?
John Moehrke (Nov 29 2016 at 13:51):
I don't understand the question. XDS based folders would be represented using List resource... according to the IHE MHD profile. So are you referring to some other specification for 'folder'? I would not expect tags to be a good way to represent folders.
Krzysztof Suchomski (Nov 29 2016 at 13:54):
I've misunderstood the specs, I thought that you can use List or Tags to represent that.
"There is no direct equivalent between to XDS folders in FHIR. Workflow associated with a document reference may be managed using Tags, or documents can be explicitly grouped using the List resource."
John Moehrke (Nov 29 2016 at 13:56):
where do you find that text? Note that the "XDS" profile found on the DocumentReference resource is not maintained and is not aligned with IHE MHD profile. It is best to go to IHE for that profile... at this time... I hope to get better alignment, but it is a struggle working alone...
Krzysztof Suchomski (Nov 29 2016 at 14:11):
It's a part of STU3 http://hl7.org/fhir/2016Sep/xds.html
Folders row in the Mappings section.
John Moehrke (Nov 29 2016 at 14:14):
right... that is what I reference. That was historic work that has no owner, and has not been updated to current approach. Sorry it is there, I have an outstanding CR to have it removed.
John Moehrke (Nov 29 2016 at 14:16):
Go to the IHE http://www.ihe.net/Technical_Frameworks/#IT
John Moehrke (Nov 29 2016 at 14:16):
get the MHD profile at http://www.ihe.net/uploadedFiles/Documents/ITI/IHE_ITI_Suppl_MHD.pdf
Krzysztof Suchomski (Nov 29 2016 at 14:18):
Thanks a lot for clarifying it.
Grahame Grieve (Nov 29 2016 at 18:01):
@John Moehrke - who'sg going to process that task? well, who's supposed to? what task is it?
John Moehrke (Nov 29 2016 at 18:43):
Very good question. It is GF#5873 It is assigned to HSI, yet HSI can't own anything. I understood DocumentReference and DocmentManifest are owned by StructDocs, yet they are not processing the CR assigned to them on this topic. Last spring me and @David Pyke proposed a PSS in HSI for "Document Sharing" that got killed by the "HSI can't own anything". It is somewhat in a re-started form; but it is not clear what state it is in right now. @Wayne Kubick indicated he would help get it through. I have tried to get HSI more productive and engaged; I have tried to get IHE more engaged, and I think I have an audience with IHE board. I need peers to help push, as Dave and I are exhausted pushing against immovable objects. Lack of a consensus organization with critical mass is the fundamental problem. Everywhere I try to create that consensus body fails. I suspect there are bodies ready to help, if they only knew where to go to help.
Grahame Grieve (Nov 29 2016 at 18:46):
so, we propose to delete the XDS profile, and replace it with a reference to http://www.ihe.net/uploadedFiles/Documents/ITI/IHE_ITI_Suppl_MHD.pdf?
John Moehrke (Nov 29 2016 at 18:51):
as a minimum... yes. I had hoped for more, like a real HL7 owned FHIR profile of the technical kind that is referenced by IHE as the motivating organization... That, and more (PIXm, PDQm, IUA, ATNA)... That goal is still underway, but I fear it will take multiple years to happen. So, yes. Simple removal of the existing XDS profile with replacement to reference to IHE MHD would be fantastic.
Grahame Grieve (Nov 29 2016 at 18:54):
well, let's do this. Let's re-assign it to FHIR-I, and I'll pre-appply the change on the basis that no one is going to object to removing the invalid content. I don't know that I can solve the organizational log-jam, but we can resolve the task
John Moehrke (Nov 29 2016 at 19:41):
I second the motion.
Elliot Silver (Nov 29 2016 at 21:11):
I'll third.
Wayne Kubick (Nov 29 2016 at 22:39):
This is still an open TSC action -- I will bring it up again for Monday's meeting.
Grahame Grieve (Dec 01 2016 at 20:01):
@John Moehrke I'm taking the XDS profile out - do I also need to remove the XDS example?
John Moehrke (Dec 01 2016 at 20:53):
I think we should leave it, as we need an example. I would need to look if there is a problem in it. Note that the mapping on DocumentReference and DocumentManifest do represent the IHE MHD profile.
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