Stream: social
Topic: stream management
Grahame Grieve (Mar 07 2016 at 03:30):
all - at this time, Zulip allows everyone to create streams. However, before you create a stream, please ask the FHIR core team - me, as a contact - to create the stream.
Grahame Grieve (Mar 07 2016 at 03:31):
btw, we will create streams for specific countries by request. I just created a new stream for NZ. Each country gets to choose their own community involvement paradigm (open/closed etc)
Lloyd McKenzie (Mar 07 2016 at 04:54):
Shall we have a thread under "meta" for announcements of new streams?
Grahame Grieve (Mar 07 2016 at 04:55):
I was going to do it under social.
Grahame Grieve (Mar 07 2016 at 04:55):
like i just did for nz
Lloyd McKenzie (Mar 07 2016 at 04:59):
Social seems to be evolving to be more technical/administrative than social
Grahame Grieve (Mar 07 2016 at 05:00):
what's the difference with this community? ;-)
Klaus (Mar 07 2016 at 05:31):
Can we rename a stream ;-)
Grahame Grieve (Mar 07 2016 at 05:32):
don't know
Robert McClure (Mar 09 2016 at 19:01):
I'm here now ;-) Does anyone know if US.gov folks use zulip?
Lloyd McKenzie (Mar 09 2016 at 19:09):
I doubt it's commonly used, but should be less of an issue. Zulip doesn't do funky IP things that make security people go nuts. Plus there's a web UI that just uses standard HTML, so no need for any custom installation
Alexander Henket (Mar 10 2016 at 06:34):
Hi Grahame, could you open up a stream for "netherlands"? Thanks.
Grahame Grieve (Mar 10 2016 at 06:35):
What's your policy? open or closed? (the other countries are open, so anyone can follow, but people not from the country are asked to only listen)
Alexander Henket (Mar 10 2016 at 06:36):
We don't have any secret talk, so open will do
Alexander Henket (Mar 10 2016 at 06:36):
You just need to be able to read Dutch, maybe not so open after all :-)
Grahame Grieve (Mar 10 2016 at 06:37):
lol there's always google translate!
Alexander Henket (Mar 10 2016 at 06:37):
Yes for 'fun with languages' and sometimes for actual meaningful translations
Grahame Grieve (Mar 10 2016 at 06:39):
ok added
Alexander Henket (Mar 10 2016 at 06:39):
Thanks
Alexander Henket (Mar 10 2016 at 06:41):
Nice work with that Google translate welcome :-) It's almost right
Grahame Grieve (Mar 10 2016 at 06:41):
thx. wondered what you'd say!
Alexander Henket (Mar 10 2016 at 06:43):
van harte welkom om uw nieuwe stroom = "welcome about your new stream"
Heath Frankel (Mar 10 2016 at 06:44):
If it is open, then why can I not see it? Am I missing something? Is there an AU stream?
Alexander Henket (Mar 10 2016 at 06:44):
And you need to know that stroom is more commonly used for flowing water or electrical current than for a flow of messages/words. Anyway it is a nice touch.
Alexander Henket (Mar 10 2016 at 06:45):
australia is visible to me
Grahame Grieve (Mar 10 2016 at 06:45):
Heath - yes. If you mouse over 'Streams' to the left, you will see a little gear icon and you can get on the Australian stream
Heath Frankel (Mar 10 2016 at 06:45):
Oh, I see you need to subscribe.
Grahame Grieve (Mar 10 2016 at 06:45):
Alexander: I thought stoom was better then kanaal which seemed to have a specific meaning for you
Alexander Henket (Mar 10 2016 at 08:02):
Right. Especially the 'wortelkanaalbehandeling' (root canal treatment). But no worries, I probably make the weirdest mistakes in English too and people seem to be forgiving for that as well.
Grahame Grieve (Mar 11 2016 at 00:50):
HIMSS attendees - please consider signing this: https://www.change.org/p/joyce-lofstrom-publish-and-enforce-an-anti-harassment-policy-for-the-himss-annual-conference
Ewout Kramer (Mar 15 2016 at 08:15):
Should we add a stream for committee stuff? I.e. FHIR-I, where we could announce call times, items to be discussed, results of discussion, etc?
Grahame Grieve (Mar 15 2016 at 09:08):
We had one and took it out, mainly because these things are supposed to be done by email.
Ewout Kramer (Mar 15 2016 at 09:20):
Supposed to, yes, but I am sure MANY more would be interested in joining the call if we could do a better job of announcing it. By which I mean: not on the mailing list, that's really incrowd....
Ewout Kramer (Mar 15 2016 at 09:21):
I am hoping that by putting it in Zulip, we would also attract others. Or maybe the calls are just meant for HL7 members?
Grahame Grieve (Mar 15 2016 at 09:32):
well, I think it's a funny notion to say that the mailing is the incrowd, and here is not ;-)
Grahame Grieve (Mar 15 2016 at 21:46):
I'd like to propose creating a stream called "ontology". This will deal with:
- the turtle (rdf) representation of resources.
- the json-ld representation of resources
- the RDF schema and the json-ld context for both of these
- mapping /enriching these with ties to other ontologies
- general (interminable) debates about FHIR and ontologies
Grahame Grieve (Mar 15 2016 at 21:47):
initially. I was going to ue implementers\ontology but it will generate lots of traffic, generally pretty obscure to many implementers, since it's actually off on a tangent
Grahame Grieve (Mar 15 2016 at 21:47):
opinions?
Zoran Milosevic (Mar 15 2016 at 22:00):
Great idea Grahame. There may be a new longer term project being initiated by the HL7 Architecture Board on the topic, reflecting on some earlier experience of mapping between FHIR and RIM and there may be few people interested in this.
Josh Mandel (Mar 15 2016 at 23:47):
People should just create streams when they feel like it. If we notice some aren't subscribed to, or have low traffic, we can always prune.
Rob Hausam (Mar 16 2016 at 01:39):
+1 for the ontology stream
I think keeping it separate from implementers probably makes sense
Grahame Grieve (Mar 16 2016 at 01:55):
@Josh Mandel I don't think it should be quite so simple - can easily fractionate the community and create confusion. If we have discussion here first, then there's at least transparency
David Hay (Mar 16 2016 at 02:37):
so we're asking people to mention any new streams here, rather than just going ahead and creating it?
Grahame Grieve (Mar 16 2016 at 02:51):
yes. propose them here, then see if anyone thinks it's a bad idea, and why, then we can create it
Eric Haas (Mar 16 2016 at 22:48):
So how long do the topics within a stream persist - do they accumulate over time? Do they need to be managed?
Grahame Grieve (Mar 16 2016 at 22:52):
they gradually drop down the list and then off the bottom
Grahame Grieve (Mar 16 2016 at 22:52):
they don't need to be managed
Lloyd McKenzie (Mar 17 2016 at 00:45):
They don't ever go away - you can expand your list to see old topics and if you start something new under an old name, it'll be appended to the previous discussion. But I agree that there's no need to manage topics.
Ewout Kramer (Mar 17 2016 at 09:44):
I wonder if the # op topics will have an influence on the performance / time needed to open stream in the end. We'll see....
Josh Mandel (Mar 17 2016 at 15:32):
This system has been used to manage the MIT chat community for a few years, so we shouldn't be pushing too hard on it. That said... indeed, we'll see :-)
Robert McClure (Mar 17 2016 at 20:27):
Is there a way to "favorite" a stream topic so I can find ones I need to follow more easily?
Lloyd McKenzie (Mar 29 2016 at 18:23):
I've created a stream for the uk. While I was at it, I did one for the U.S. I heard there's some fhir implementation happening there :) I subscribed a few people to the uk one, but U.S. folks will need to subscribe themselves. There's too many of you ...
Jonny Rylands (Mar 29 2016 at 18:52):
thanks :)
Simone Heckmann (Apr 01 2016 at 12:12):
Can we establish a "Student" stream, please? We'll have different groups of students preparing for the DevDays. Would be nice to have a Stream for that.
Lloyd McKenzie (Apr 01 2016 at 13:28):
Hmm. I don't want the students to feel they're banished to a particular corner . . . Would it be better to have a Dev Days steam?
Marten Smits (Apr 01 2016 at 13:54):
Maybe a DevDays Student Track stream?
Patrick Werner (Apr 01 2016 at 13:54):
I don't think the students would feel banished. It's more about relieving the implementers stream. We spoke today with our students and they liked to have a stream for themselves where they can exchange their FHIR knowledge with other students or their mentors.
Like the student skype group last year.
Patrick Werner (Apr 01 2016 at 13:55):
DevDays Student Track would be fine as well
Lloyd McKenzie (Apr 01 2016 at 14:01):
Ok, students exists.
Patrick Werner (Apr 01 2016 at 14:01):
thx!
John Moehrke (Apr 01 2016 at 14:49):
we are all students...
David Hay (Apr 01 2016 at 17:49):
Yeah - hope to never stop learning!
Lloyd McKenzie (Apr 05 2016 at 01:20):
There was a proposal on the implementer's chat for a Javascript stream. Do we want distinct streams per software language? Database technology? (I'm a bit nervous about potential volume of streams.)
Hussain Chinoy (Apr 05 2016 at 01:45):
There's already a top-level javascript stream, though I think attrition will help with the potential managability issues of an orthogonal technology axis :)
Hussain Chinoy (Apr 05 2016 at 01:46):
It doesn't seem so chatty to me at this moment to necessarily require an immediate decision, do you think?
James Agnew (Apr 05 2016 at 01:48):
Now that we've been here a while, I think I'd vote in favour of being liberal with allowing streams to be created. It's easy to mute a stream you're not interested in, but there's no way to mute a topic so it's all-in or all-out. Implementers is really all over the map, I already doubt there are many people who are interested in all of the subjects being discussed in there..
James Agnew (Apr 05 2016 at 01:53):
Oh wait, you CAN mute topics I just noticed. How about that.
Gaston Fiore (Apr 07 2016 at 18:37):
Could we start a "genomics" stream for the FHIR Genomics WG? Thanks!
David Hay (Apr 07 2016 at 19:44):
would it be better to have a general 'connectathon' stream rather than a separate one for each?
Gaston Fiore (Apr 07 2016 at 19:51):
This isn't for the Connectathon. This is for discussion of the clinical genomics aspects of FHIR. In other words, it would be like the clinFHIR stream, but focused on genomics instead.
Grahame Grieve (Apr 07 2016 at 20:07):
I think a genomics stream makes sense.
Grahame Grieve (Apr 07 2016 at 20:07):
generally, I'm only in favour of a new stream if it's clearly different from other streams, and there wouldn't be much uncertainty about where a discussion belongs. Else you just have to join multiple streams, and what's the point?
David Hay (Apr 07 2016 at 20:09):
fair enough - the 'litmus test' might be that the value of the stream persists past the actual connectathon event...
René Spronk (Apr 08 2016 at 07:39):
On behalf of a group of interested parties from Ireland I'd like to request that a stream for "Ireland" be added. We held a FHIR workshop earlier this year, and the group of attendees are looking for a mechanism to exchange experiences.
Kevin Mayfield (Apr 08 2016 at 12:22):
Is it worth having an European steam? Thinking more from an implementation point of view as some of the models of care are similar (and also job opportunities)
Lloyd McKenzie (Apr 08 2016 at 13:27):
What's the relationship between the Irish stream and the uk stream?
Karen Wynne (Apr 08 2016 at 13:31):
Hi Rene, Karen here from Ireland. I met you at our recent workshop in Dublin.
We are currently looking into using FHIR and setting up a sandbox server. Are there any basic guidelines for us to follow using a C# .NET environment?
René Spronk (Apr 08 2016 at 15:05):
@Lloyd McKenzie Well, the UK and Ireland are different countries, for one ;-) .. different health systems, different national infrastructure, different ways in which FHIR is going to be used. @Kevin Mayfield I'm currently signed up to the streams of 4 european countries, albeit mostly as a lurker, but as a trainer/tutor I'm active in all of them. I'm not fan of a European stream - healthcare is organized along national lines, there's fairly little that the various countries have in common at the FHIR implementation level. I.e. that which they have in comon, that's what they also share with other non-EU countries, so streams around universal topics are probably more useful.
René Spronk (Apr 08 2016 at 15:06):
@Karen Wynne There a 'dotnet' stream you may wish to sign up to.. I'm sure they have the answers.
Kevin Mayfield (Apr 08 2016 at 15:30):
@René Spronk @Lloyd McKenzie Can I just modify Rene's response to 'England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Ireland are different countries for one, with different healthsystems will have different implementations of FHIR .... etc. It's several organisations trading under one name, I couldn't get health care under the NHS in Wales for example (but I could nearly everywhere else in Europe and UK).
Kevin Mayfield (Apr 08 2016 at 15:32):
In terms of healthcare the UK is a virtual construct.
René Spronk (Apr 08 2016 at 15:43):
@Kevin Mayfield Spain has 30 regions that are autonomous when it comes to healthcare.. unless there's lots of traffic I don't see a reason to go for streams at the sub-national level. When it comes to the UK most FHIR related activities will be in England and Scotland. @Lloyd McKenzie if there's a reasonably sized group of people that wish to have a stream for their own country/region/whatever I don't see a reason to argue with that. In this case it's representatives of the Republic of Ireland.
Gaston Fiore (Apr 08 2016 at 16:37):
Could I create the new stream "fhir genomics" then? Thanks.
Hussain Chinoy (Apr 08 2016 at 16:37):
Go for it, Gaston!
James Agnew (Apr 08 2016 at 16:38):
It should probably just be called genomics though. I think FHIR is implied here :)
Gaston Fiore (Apr 08 2016 at 16:39):
@James Agnew , I believe @Gil Alterovitz would prefer "fhir genomics". I'll wait until we agree on the most appropriate name!
Kevin Mayfield (Apr 08 2016 at 16:44):
Don't think Scotland would agree with being called sub-national. :) Are any of the European groups big enough to warrant separate streams?
Gaston Fiore (Apr 08 2016 at 17:18):
@James Agnew , I talked with @Gil Alterovitz and he'd indeed prefer to call it "FHIR Genomics" for consistency with other things like website (fhirgenomics.org) and such. Would this be a problem?
Gil Alterovitz (Apr 08 2016 at 17:38):
Yes, Gaston- can u call it 'FHIR Genomics.' We want to migrate the skype FHIR Genomics channel to zulip.
Lloyd McKenzie (Apr 08 2016 at 17:49):
I would strongly prefer it *not* be called "fhir genomics" - in part because it won't sort well. Everything here is specific to FHIR by definition.
Lloyd McKenzie (Apr 08 2016 at 17:55):
In terms of the uk, I understand the countries within a country aspect. And I understand that the Republic of Ireland is distinct. What I was trying to get a sense for was granularity. The "german" stream isn't limited to just Germany, and we have an informal policy of trying to avoid overlapping streams. So I was just checking as to whether this was a place where it would make sense for conversations to occur within one stream or whether we definitely wanted separate streams. (And a presumption that we would not introduce streams for England, Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland as they would be covered by the uk stream)
Peter Jordan (Apr 08 2016 at 23:09):
+1 for an (open) Ireland stream. They have a National EHR project which is of interest to some of us in NZ as we are embarking on a similar venture.
Kevin Mayfield (Apr 09 2016 at 07:31):
I like the German approach - so Europe (GB, IRL and NIRL) and others welcome? It will be useful to share ideas, training details, hackday/event details, job opportunities, enhance cooperation, connectathons, training events, etc in the region. I don't think we need a UK stream for profiling (England who've done them in the past will use other resources).
René Spronk (Apr 09 2016 at 11:00):
I must admit I find this discussion somewhat surreal - standards organizations in germany/austria/switzerland have a long history of cooperation, and re-uses each other specs (mainly because they're in german). It's up to them to decide what's a fruitful scope of their stream. @Lloyd McKenzie Why does Canada have its own stream, and is in not part of the u.s. stream? Same language, same telephone country code. Kidding aside: c'mon, let's move on, and be realistic, and let them use an Irish stream. What's the big deal, it's not like we're running out of streams...
Lloyd McKenzie (Apr 09 2016 at 14:31):
@René Spronk Wasn't trying to act as a blocker, was just raising the question. I'm not familiar with the different degrees of cooperation that exist between neighboring European jurisdictions. I've created the stream
Kevin Mayfield (Apr 09 2016 at 19:38):
@René Spronk sorry wasn't trying to block the Irish stream and I'll ignore the implication UK has cooperation :)
René Spronk (Apr 10 2016 at 06:59):
@Kevin Mayfield Well, there's HL7 UK .. given the movement towards independence you'd better start working on the creation of HL7 Scotland. ;-)
Kevin Mayfield (Apr 10 2016 at 07:46):
I'm actually from Danish area of England, the Danelaw (more commonly known as Yorkshire or Jorvik Ridings). Here is our HL7 project https://github.com/KevinMayfield/Jorvik. [Ok, I'm joking]
Lloyd McKenzie (May 07 2016 at 14:11):
I've created a stream for "genomics" (there seemed to be consensus earlier, but the request sort of got lost)
Gaston Fiore (May 07 2016 at 14:17):
Thanks @Lloyd McKenzie !
Michael Lawley (Jun 13 2016 at 23:13):
@Grahame Grieve I was wondering if you'd be happy to create a stream for Ontoserver - with the free availability in Australia approaching we're looking to support the implementer community whereever it congregates and this seems a likely place. But perhaps it's not appropriate for an otherwise commercial project?
Grahame Grieve (Jun 13 2016 at 23:49):
I'm not sure. it's not exactly a commercial project in the normal sense
Grahame Grieve (Jun 14 2016 at 00:05):
The terminology discussion is jumping between Conformance and Ontology. Perhaps the best option is to have a terminology stream, and OntoServer is a topic in that? How busy do you expect to be?
Michael Lawley (Jun 14 2016 at 03:47):
no idea really - so perhaps premature
I haven't been watching Ontology ...
Grahame Grieve (Jun 14 2016 at 03:53):
you might find it interesting
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